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the show, i can spend that time with mark halperin. >> half an hour of real estate. >> and you are, as you say to me, i'm just trying to be the best mark halperin i can be. >> no one can forget willy -- >> what's his name? >> that guy never gets mentioned on "jeopardy!". >> aren't forgotten by the american people. what did you learn? >> you ask people, how was your holiday, and they're like, oh, it was great. i asked our 24-year-old production coordinate how her holiday was, and -- >> holly, come here. >> she got married? >> you ask everybody, how was your holiday? >> oh, it was good. >> went down to myrtle beach. got a sweater. and you come out, and say, oh, i got married. >> yes. >> so give us the details? >> i just married my love from italy, stefano, and we got married at city hall.
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>> and does he look like the guy on the harlequin romance -- >> you're thinking fabio. >> he has short hair. >> well, congratulations! i'm so excited for you! >> congratulations. >> wrap it up now. >> of course, he comes to an america who has higher taxes and higher debt. that's another story. now, i need a fix, because i'm going down. >> the fix is in. >> with chris cillizza. we'll see you tomorrow. a big new year's resolution, sort of. the house rings in 2013 with that bipartisan vote to pull the country back from hanging over the fiscal cliff, with some house republicans bucking the speaker on the deal, could there be a big fight looming again in just 60 days? and as a new congress comes to town, the president gets most of what he wanted in the short-term before heading back to hawaii for a delayed vacation.
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and secretary of state hillary clinton continues to be treated for a blood clot in a new york hospital. we'll have an update on her steady recovery this morning. good morning from washington and happy new year. it's wednesday, january 2nd, 2013, and this is the daily rundown. i'm chris cillizza in for chuck todd today. one nightmare is over, but could last night's deal be a warm-up for more brinksmanship in 2013. just after 11:00 p.m., the house did approve a bipartisan senate bill to avert sweeping income taxes on most americans and delay some spending cuts. the measure passed 267 to 167 with just 85 republicans joining 172 democrats to vote in favor of it. key parts of the deal include, income tax rates going up for the first time in two decades. rates will rise from 35% to 39.6% on incomes over $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for couples. the bill also delays automatic
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cuts to the pentagon and domestic programs for two months. and 2 million unemployed americans will continue to receive jobless benefits for at least another year. the congressional budget office estimates the bill will add nearly $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years, largely to pay for keeping the bush tax rates in place for most americans. house republicans complained loudly before that vote last night, that there were no spending cuts in this deal. >> well, i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something that they produced on new year's eve, produced by a bunch of sleep-deprived octogenarians is what we should adopt within 48 hours. >> speaker john boehner voted for the deal, breaking the republican leaders eric cantor of virginia and kevin mccarthy of california who voted against. paul ryan joined speaker boehner, voting for the bill. after the vote, president obama
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tried to set the terms for the fiscal fights ahead in a rare late-night appearance with joe biden by his side in the briefing room. >> the one thing that i think hopefully in the new year we'll focus on is seeing if we can put a package like this together, with a little bit less drama, a little less brinksmanship, not scare the heck out of folks quite as much. >> but republicans are already looking ahead to another budget showdown in late february. that's when the temporary delay on domestic and military spending cuts expires and when congress must raise the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling limit to avoid default. >> save your powder for the debt ceiling fight. we have leverage at the debt ceiling to make this president face up to the fact that we're spending our way into oblivion. >> last night, the president warned republicans not to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. >> while i will negotiate over many things, i will not have
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another debate with this congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they have already racked up. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is live on capitol hill. and nbc's mike viqueira joins us from the white house. kelly, let's start with you. you look remarkably well for what i can only mablg has been a rough last couple of days. >> oh, you're kind, chris, thank you. >> we rolled out kind of a basic nuts and bolts of the deal. give me a sense on what the mood is, how people are feeling? do people feel republicans won, democrats won? is there a winner in something like this? who got what they wanted and who didn't? >> reporter: well, if you can look past the exhaustion and the over-caffeinated atmosphere that everyone has hear, i think you do see that most people will say that the president gets a victory on this and that democrats have plenty that they are happy about in the package, and that republicans are, in fact, sort of reorganizing for
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what they believe will be greater leverage in the weeks to come. a signal from the president in that late-night appearance with the vice president is something that republicans are grabbing on to, where he did pivot and talked about the need to deal with things like medicare and how that is driving the cost of the deficit. while he did chide everybody about, let's not go to the brink, he did acknowledge that the deficit has to be dealt with in a way that has not been so far. democrats are pleased that these rates that protect mostly the middle class are now permanent. things like the alternative minimum tax, which seems to come up every december, that's now off the table. that created a permanent fix to that, so it no longer affects middle income people. there are some tax credits and some benefits that will affect people who are on the lower end of the economic scale, as well as those unemployment benefits. those are things democrats like. there's plenty they don't like and there's plenty republicans don't like, and that's usually
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the makings of a compromise. almost no one things this process looked good or that this was the best way to do things, but they will say -- many of them will say they were happy to be here until the 11th hour to rye to get something done. so there is a sense of working hard. >> kelly, let me ask you, because i was struck by this, and i want to bring mike in, but let me ask you this. the numbers, 151 republicans vote no, well more than the 85 who vote yes. there was talk that john boehner wouldn't bring a bill that lacked a majority of the majority. that is, a majority of the republican house majority for it. that's obviously what happened here. where are we in the state of john boehner's speakership? >> well, we ask that question a lot, and we find even from republican rank and file members, who don't side with the speaker on some of these issues, that they respect the fight he has waged on their behalf, and you don't hear any talk of his speakership being in jeopardy. hi may appear weakened in some
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people's eyes. he may not have had the juice in this deal, ultimately, but people do seem to stand behind him. what i thought was interesting was the two most famous house republicans, the speaker and paul ryan, the most recent vp nominee, voted yes. and the two who are closest, cantor and mccarthy, they voted no. so they sort of evenly provided cover. those who wanted to say this wasn't enough, and leadership like ryan and certainly the speaker saying, this was something that had to be done. >> in a rare time when leadership splits its votes. but viq, let's talk to you. the president sort of made a statement and headed the to hawaii. i was struck, this statement with joe biden by his side, which i think is an important signal, but this statement was not the kind of press conference -- the rally-like feel that we had on monday, with the middle class folks behind him. the white house thinks they won here. and how much of this is really sort of table setting for what now looks like a huge fight in late february or early march on
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debt ceiling and the automatic cuts that have now been put off? >> well, look, they set out to roll john boehner in the house of representatives and in the end, john boehner got rolled. and john boehner said at one point in his career, not too long ago, that thanltd happen, but the writing was on the wall. at 2:00 in the morning, the night before last, wherever that was, chris, new year's eve, i guess, the night of new year's eve, 98-8 in the senate. they expected this to sweep away all the opposition, and ultimately, that's what happened, but not without a whole lot of drama yesterday. john boehner knew, the day after the election, when he approved in the raeburn room and said he was willing to give on revenues, $800 billion worth, just not by closing loopholes and simplifying a tax code and things of that nature, but not by raising rates. he saw the writing on the wall. everybody knew what the president had campaigned on, on that $250,000 threshold.
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obviously, the white house, a lot of smart people here knew that boehner had no flexibility. the president hit the road on those campaign-style events. he ultimately gave ground at that income level, now at $450,000, as it was ultimately passed for those couples filing jointly, but he knew that john boehner had absolutely is no flexibility and he played this hand to the max. you're right, the president last night setting up this battle that's coming, this triple jeopardy battle here. add to the fact that the continuing resolution that funds the government is also set to expire in march. you add three things together with this. congress has got to vote to raise that debt ceiling. unclear what move the president has there and the republicans are going to play that card to the max, chris. >> if people thought what they just saw was ugly, i say, just wait. kelly o'donnell and mike viqueira, thank you, guys. get some sleep. one deal is finally done, but
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who has the upper hand as we head into triple jeopardy, the coming budget fights. domenico montanaro is here with this morning's first read. i don't think anybody comes across great here, domenico, but i was struck and maybe this was inevitable, but we had a lot of conservatives coming out, saying this is a terrible deal as we had a majority of the majority voting against it. we asked kelly about john boehner's speakership. the vote is tomorrow for him to be speaker of the 113th congress. it doesn't seem like there's anything emerging. i'm a little baffled, not because i think he should be ousted, but you've seen this level of resistance, where he was cut out of the final negotiations. >> i think it's like kelly said, they're happy with the fight that he waged and they're okay allowing him to see the light at the end of the tunnel, be able to make the call whenever he wants to decide to lead and end his career, whenever that will
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be. and i think people like cantor and mccarthy, who are of that young gun, younger group, it's not a split with boehner, it's a split on how they decided to vote, but they know where the political clout is and that's with those conservatives. john boehner doesn't necessarily need to be there. he's someone who would be more of a pragmatist and would get something done. he is a pragmatist, but not able to have the flexibility and the white house knew that. >> let's talk about that. i think it's important. eric cantor comes out yesterday and says, i'm opposed to this bill. the political world sort of panics and says, the bill is going down, they're going to amend it, and then eric cantor comes out and says, we're going to have a straight up or down vote. we've built up this narrative that cantor is waiting for his moment to pounce on boehner. in truth, they were very united in all of this. they voted different ways, but united, really.
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cantor didn't look like he was undermining boehner. what's the governing dynamic between the two of them? is it cantor biding his time, making sure he plays nice with conservatives, but doesn't try to overthrow boehner? >> i think there was a little bit more to it, probably in 2010 or slightly before and people thought there was more going on. i think that eric cantor, after that, and after 2011 and the debt ceiling showdown, has shown that he wants to be able to be within leadership and work with boehner and sees that also, there is a faction of establishment republicans who are backing john boehner. and if eric cantor at some points wants to be speaker and make that run, he can't completely alienate all of those folks. but i don't think all of this, it's a little too machiavellian to suggest that all of this is going on and is totally orchestrated. i think that mccarthy and cantor are people who know that they're going to be around for a while -- >> they're playing the long game. >> and they can't alienate all the members, whether they're
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boehner allies or whether they're conservatives. >> i totally agree, as always, with you. nbc's domenico montanaro, thank you. the minimum wage is going up, while the number of cats you can own is going down. a new year means new laws all across the country. we'll give you the rundown. plus, the bitter end. a deal got done, barely. and the odds are this congress will be remembered more for what they didn't get done than what they did. is dysfunction here to stay? but first, it's a look ahead at the president's schedule. he's in hawaii, where we all wish we were. you're watching "the daily rundown," only on msnbc. ♪ these are... [ male announcer ] marie callender's puts everything you've grown to love about sunday dinner into each of her pot pies. tender white meat chicken and vegetables in a crust made from scratch. marie callender's. it's time to savor.
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i move that the house do adjourn. >> the question is on the motion to adjourn. those in favor say aye. >> those opposed, no. >> no! >> in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. accordingly, the house stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning for debate. >> and with that incredibly awkward eating, the house adjourned, just two minutes before midnight, bringing an end to the contentious session that saw an end to the fiscal cliff deal, but not a deal that would bring new disaster aide to victims of superstorm sandy. i'm joined by john yarmouth, a member of the budget committee. congressman, i want to play a little bit more. i was struck by this. i want to play a little bit more of your colleagues reacting to
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the bill on hurricane sandy relief not being brought up. let's play a little bit more of that. and we'll talk about it. >> i am deeply zpoe lly disappo. speaker. >> to ignore the plight of millions of american citizens, unprecedented, disgusting, unworthy of the leadership of this house. >> absolutely inexcusable, absolutely indefensible. >> i'm usually proud of this house. tonight i am ashamed. shame on you, mr. speaker. >> sort of a rare bit of bipartisanship, there speaker. you had peter king, a republican, eliot dangel there, a democrat. was this a mistake to end the 112th congress on this note? >> well, certainly, i think it would have been much more reasonable to try and pass the relief measure. there was a little bit of technical problem there in that the house was dealing with two separate measures, so there was some question as to whether the senate could get back and they could reconcile the two. i'm sure that this will be the first thing on the agenda, either thursday or friday of this week, or as soon as we come
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back. but, yeah, it's typical of the dysfunction of this 112th congress that the session ended that way. we really have a hard time getting anything done here. >> congressman, i want to turn to sort of the thing that's drawing so much attention, which is the fiscal cliff deal and its aftermath. a lot of liberals in the house voted against this deal. many liberals said they thought it gave up too much, that the president conceded too much when you didn't have to. are you in that camp? do you think there was too much given up, politically speaking, or not? >> no, i really don't, chris. i think we're mistaken if anybody thinks that the president and, the way i look at it, the same members of congress have lost leverage in the next debate. the fiscal cliff, if it's communicated properly, the ramifications of not extending
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the debt ceiling, i'm sorry, in a couple months are so disastrous for the economy, we would be back, essentially, in 2009, where we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. because, essentially, once we reach that deadline, if we don't extend the debt ceiling, 28% of all federal spending, roughly, goes away. disappears. that's 6% or 7% of the entire economy. so the people would have to understand that. and i think many republicans do. so i'm not sure that's much leverage there. >> congressman, picking up on that point, briefly, you actually had some nice things to say about mitch mcconnell during this fiscal cliff debate. you had some nice things to say about john boehner, that he took a risk by bringing it up. i think a lot of americans today are wondering what i'm wondering and what you may be wondering and i want your take on it. can this house and this congress be bipartisan on a big issue? as you point out, the stakes in the debt ceiling debate in two months, are going to be significantly higher for us as a country than the cliff stakes.
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is bipartisanship a reasonable hope? >> you know what, i think it is, and i think we saw last night a model for how it can work. the problem we have is, and if you go back to the 2010 election, we basically eliminated the middle of the congress. so we have two pretty extreme, at least very separated parties here, philosophically. and what we saw last night is that once the speaker said, i'm going to try and pass thing without having to rely on something that only my party can support, then democrats join. so if the leadership of the house takes the position that we're going to work towards something that i don't need just my members to pass, i think we can have a bipartisan froeappro to a lot of these things. as we saw last week, 85 republicans joined 170-something odd democrats. >> time will tell, congressman john yarmuth of kentucky, thank
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you. it's the first trading day of 2013, and the cliff compromise already has stopped rallying around the world. will wall street follow? but first, today's trivia question. as of today, republican chuck grassley and democrat tom harkin of iowa have served together for 28 consecutive years, one of the longest in history. name the most recent senate delegation to serve together for an all 28 years. you can tweet us that answer to daily rundown. the first correct one will get a follow wednesday for us. that answer and more coming up on "the daily rundown." we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home...
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it looks like the markets are going to start the new year
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off with a bang. now that the fiscal cliff is in the rearview mirror, futures are pointing to huge gains on wall street. cnb cnbc's becky quick joins me with the very latest. give me the good news. >> things are really going to get out of the gate with a bang in a few minutes. the dow futures are up about 200 points above fair value. these are massive gains. and the last trading day of the year on monday, we saw big gains that day too. the dow was up over 160 that day, just on the anticipation that we would get a deal. add that up, and you are looking at some massive moves, just on the idea that we avoided the fiscal cliff. now, that doesn't mean that we've gotten through all of this. we did speak earlier with senator bob corker, who was talking about how he really had to hold his nose and vote on this. in fact, his words were like, it was like eating a "you know what" sandwich to go ahead and vote on this. senator corker also said, he thinks it's going to get a lot uglier this next go around, when you start talking about the new
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negotiations that take us down the road. he thinks at this point, republicans are really going to have a much stronger hand. we did talk to a market strategist today who said, markets really become immune from these end of world scenarios, but we'll see what happens if things do get uglier from here. >> becky, thanks for that image from bob corker. and i'll note that bob corker will be on this program tomorrow, the da"the daily run." on our radar, the ncaa gets hit with a lawsuit. in july, the university agreed to sanctions, including a $60 million fine that would be used to finance child abuse prevention grants nationwide. pennsylvania lawmakers objected to that money being spent outside of their state. and finally, there are all sorts of new laws now in place nor 2013. as of yesterday, same-sex
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marriage is now legal in maryla maryland. in california and illinois, it's now against the law for an employer to ask job applicants to release their user names and passwords for social media sites. the minimum wage has gone up in ten states, oregon, rhode island, vermont, and washington, all have wages over the federal rate of $7.75 an our hour. and if you drive a motorcycle, own cats, or release pigs into the wild, listen up. in wellington, kansas, households are restricted to having no more than four cats. in illinois, anyone who pops a wheelie on a motorcycle while speeding -- why would you do that -- would have to pay an additional fine. and if you were thinking of releasing pigs into the wild, don't do it, at least in kentucky. that act is now illegal there. secretary of state hillary clinton is spending a fourth day in a new york city hospital. we'll get an update on the
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potentially dangerous blood clot doctors discovered. plus, digital dominance. the man behind the obama campaign's tech-savvy ride to re-election. we'll be talking to chuck todd. you're watching "the daily rundown," only on msnbc. 7 how-to knowledge to give us an edge, and more savings down every aisle. it only takes a few twists and turns for those bright ideas to make the new year even brighter. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. start fresh and save with hdx 20 gallon totes, a special buy at just $5.88 a piece.
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she developed a blood clot in her, just above her brain, between her skull and her brain. you can see the area there. it's a vein that drains blood from the brain. and the danger is if that clot were to grow, it would go back into her brain and cause possibly the symptoms of a stroke or actually a stroke itself. they give her blood thinners to help that and there's every indication that they're working properly. blood thinners are individual for every person, so they start out with a very powerful intravenous blood thinners and give her blood thinners in pill forms that she'll continue on probably for a long time, perhaps even the rest of her life. but all indications are, she has no neurological damage, which is the most significant thing. and from the information we have, there's every indication she'll make a full recovery. chris? >> bob bazell, thank you. in the wake of the president's re-election, his team has been praised for its
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exceptionally detailed approach for identifying voters reaching out to them and most importantly, getting them to the polls. our chuck todd recently talked to one of the men who made that happen. >> deep in the cyberheart of the president's winning campaign, a vast pool of data combined with a cutting edge strategy to string together a massive coalition of supporters. not through one single message or ad, but through a continuous pattern of outreach, needless to say, as we all know, it worked like a charm. according to the campaign's digital team, the president raised more than $500 million online, half a million more than in 2008. over the course of the race, the campaign's facebook page went from the 19 million likes to 45 million. the number of twitter followers tripled to 23 million. the man at the center of this effort is the cofounder of blue state digital, joe rosepars. joe joins me now for a look at how this whole thing was put together. and we got a little bit of taste in the media, thanks to sasha
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eisenberg. he wrote, "those who looked anew at the act of voting were beginning to think of it in an altogether different terms. what if voting wasn't only a political act, but a social one that took place in the limbal space between the public and the private. what if toying with those expectations was key to turning a person into a voter?" explain that. >> i would take it one step further and say that our campaign was communicating with our supporters and anyone who wanted to pull the lever for barack obama and saying, well, voting is the bare minimum here, but the civic act of organizing in your community, of reaching out to your friends, and having that be a social act, chipping in, making phone calls, knocking on doors is really the expectation and should be the standard for people's participation in the process. >> one way i've tried to explain this to colleagues, how do you explain what you guys did. if you were making a polling phone call and you happen to get that number, you i.d.'d that
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person. and it could have been with the analytics team, regular polling team, through door knocking. but every time you had a contact with anybody in america, that was cataloged. is that fair to say? >> yeah, and i think that there are interesting applications of both cataloging those interactions, but also realizing the data you don't have. so when we would ask someone to share the fact that early voting started today in iowa with their friends on facebook on iowa, we could drop those facebook friends into an e-mail and say, hey, let them know that today's election day, but we could also say, we don't have phone numbers for these people. if you give them a call, you might be the only call you get in this election. >> and you knew everybody who was coming to an event, and if you didn't know, you found out why they were there, and suddenly they became part of your community, not just somebody who attended an event. >> it's easier if everybody rsvps ahead of time. but if you show up there, we took it on paper, on an ipad,
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however we can get it to make sure you're looped into the campaign. >> in '04, a lot of us in the media made a big deal of what the bush campaign did. and at the time, it was considered cutting edge. it was microtargeting, it was called. this feels like microtargeting on steroids. how much of the '04 campaign did you look at as somebody who said, boy, that's a good idea, watch me do it in the 21st century? >> it's that, but it's also sort of mixing, to use the 2004 analogy, mixing a little bit of the bush with a little bit of the howard dean. so i think what we had was really smart technology and data meshed with the relationships and the notion that grassroots and organizing and ordinary people and their efforts can and should be at the center of the campaign. >> all right. how does this get used going forward? i think that was always the question in '08. and it didn't, i know there was attempts to be made, but you could argue, considering the political problems the president ran into on health care and other things, 2010 didn't so
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well for the president's party, is this unique -- how do you make the case that this isn't unique to obama? that somehow what you've done can be transferred and done for other candidates, other political parties, other entities, other policy fights, et cetera. >> i don't think it can be necessarily transferred and say, let's check the box and move on. i think the effort can be replicated. so what it boils down to is the head of the organization, whether there's a candidate, an executive director of a nonprofit, or a ceo, needs to decide that they're going to have a meaningful relationship with the people who are most important to them, their supporters and the people they're trying to reach, in our case, voters. and to invest in that relationship technologically, but also ideologically, to make sure you're spending the time and hearing what people are saying back to you and valuing your time and participation. >> looking back at what happened between '08 and '10, if you were giving advice, what would you do differently that you didn't do then, that could make this more effective for the president in a second term? >> look, i think the president
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has been pretty clear about his approach to this. i think he said in his press conference after the 2010 election that, you know, if there was one thing, that they spent a little too much time trying to get business done in washington, and not as much time trying to change how business gets done in washington. and i think that opening up the process and playing that outside game is something that is a focus for him and i'm excited to see how it plays out. >> how much more important, do you believe, when will social connectivity and interaction, financially, overtake television advertising, as being more important for a political campaign? >> i don't think it's necessarily about replacement. it's about all of the above. it's not -- we raised the most small dollar grassroots donations of any campaign -- >> you still spent more money on television than you did on this. >> and we raised more money than anybody ever has in a grassroots way, was we also fought the romney campaign on donations over $1,000. we raised the same amount of money, $1,000 and over, as the romney campaign. the difference is, for them, that was two-thirds of their money. for us, it was only a third.
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joe, the cofounder of blue state digital, a big part of the analytics and everything that the obama campaign built digitally in '08 and '12. thanks for coming on. >> thanks very much. house divided. is rawrangling the republican conference an impossible task for speaker boehner or anybody else? and the political calculus between marco rubio's no vote on the cliff deal. first, the white house soup of the day, it's chicken noodle. just what washington needs to maybe feel a little bit better about itself. and don't forget to check out our website, it's at rundown.msnbc.com and we will be right back. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen.
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i am today announcing my
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candidacy for the presidency of the united states. the presidency is the most powerful office in the free world. through its leadership can come a more vital life for all of our people. >> daily flashback to this day in 1960, when then senator john f. kennedy of massachusetts announced he was running for president. at the same time, kennedy told reporters he would, quote, not under any condition be a candidate for vice president. so, there. some gamblers may think the house always wins, but in washington, the house did not win and it came close to busting. joining me now, head of american bridge 21st century and former spokesman for senate majority leader, harry reid, rodell, andrea stoddard, and brad despring. she goes by a.b., but i kind of like the full name. i don't know. my mom calls me christopher every once in a while. >> i know, i know.
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>> brad, don't think we're going to let you off the hook here. >> bradford. >> okay, bradford, you had two, i thought, pretty public moves by house republicans. the first came with attempting to -- well, attempting to try and pass plan "b," this million dollar and above exception. they didn't even get it to the floor. then yesterday, you had eric cantor, the majority leader, come out and say, i'm voting against this. throwing everyone into this sort of, whoa, this may not pass it. he votes against it, but don't add any amendments to it. if you are a house republican and you wake up today, what good can you take from what looks like a messaging loss across the board? >> well, you've got to step back and look at the big picture. sometimes we get wrapped around the -- >> what? what are you talking about! >> the long-term of what happened yesterday is democrats came around and supported 98% of the bush tax cuts, that the republican-controlled house and the republican-controlled senate and president couldn't pass in 2008. that's a massive ideological switch.
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and yes, republicans, there are some who don't like the legislation yesterday, many don't. even those who voted for it probably don't love it. but we did get a lot of what we wanted o on the tax side and we live to fight another day. >> i think that's the most important. i think you could have lived to fight another day without pushing it all the way. but you mentioned some republicans are unhappy. go ahead. >> the reason we took this to the edge is because harry reid can't pass a budget out of the senate. if washington was working fine, the budgets would pass in april lake they do every year, we would spend the next six months discussing it and be on the floor in november in a conference report and these situations would be avoided. >> to brad's point, i would not let it go -- it's like a debate. i think you get a minute here to respond. but john boehner has taken the lion's share of blame for plan "b", was harry reid, at the end of the day, the deal came to be mcconnell and biden cut the deal. what was reid's role?
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did he play the role he should have played? >> i think he played the role. i think the role is, we need to get a deal. we need to save middle class families from having their taxes go up. whether you're at the forefront or you're huddled back with your troops, making sure you've got the votes, i think he gets that credit. >> i will say, an 89-8 vote in the senate, they almost never vote that overwhelmingly. brad mentioned this, i want to play something. brad said he was being kind. he said some republicans are unhappy about it. 151 republicans voted against this, a majority of the majority voted against it. i want to play a few clips of their thoughts, let's say, on the deal. >> there's no spending cuts, we're adding $4 billion a day to the debt. the senate bail failed miserably in cutting spending. >> i thought we were in a deficit crisis. i thought our families were being put at risk by this massive debt. what does this do about that?
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>> well, it was way passed the senators' bedtime and they were blurry-eyed while they were reading it, so we're trying to fill in the gap where they must have missed a few things. >> first of all, it's somewhat unrelated, but i find it hilarious, he's like, those senators old. steve latourette said, a bunch of octogenarians. geez. let's put the ageism aside. this is not a bill that most republicans, house republicans, but people like erick erickson, on the conservative republican side, voiced significant displeasure on. where do republicans go from here? because, surprise, surprise, a.b., tomorrow, the 113th congress comes in, john boehner, presumably, will be reflected speaker, and the party has to regroup and move on. where do they go? >> well, that's a -- the macro question of this leaderless party, it's been leaderless for so long. it was cleansed by a leaderless movement. still, the tension between the establishment and tea party
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forces really define their divisions every day, no matter what's on the floor. i would say that the people who have got their hands dirty voting for that last night, house speaker john boehner, budget committee chairman, paul ryan, they knew that kevin mccarthy, the whip, and eric cantor, the majority leader, wanted that to pass. so the people who got to vote against it still wanted it to pass. so that is really a big tension about who had to take, you know, the dirt, and who got to indulge themselves to vote against it. ultimately, though, as they look forward to the debt ceiling vote, they're going to try to get united again behind a big battle for spending cuts. they don't care about what the president is saying, he doesn't play that game. this game has to be played. there has to be some budget control that we've never seen. >> the end is really the end on the debt seen since august of 2011.
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>> marco rubio's no vote is clearly about other things. that stock market is up today, a huge gain. that is something good. i was struck thinking back about tom cole, oklahoma conservative republican, way back on november 29th. here's what he had to say on this show about what republicans should do on the fiscal cliff. >> there is a point we agree. the president says he wants to make 80% of the bush tax cuts permanent for 98% of the american people and take them out of the discussion. i think we should do that. now, that advice was given in private. >> quickly, brad, was tom cole right? >> easy too monday morning quarterback. when you're living in the game and make a decision and sticks with it and see it through. the votes didn't exist at the time to do it.
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>> that's a fair point. we will be back shortly. hold your powder. as of today, -- it's senators william roth and joe biden from delaware. if you've got a trivia question that you think can stump brook brower, e-mail us. we'll be right back. she keeps you guessing. it's part of what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved
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let's bring back our gaggle. two notable no votes on the
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fiscal cliff. marco rubio in the senate, paul ryan -- paul ryan for in the house. interesting break. so you had rubio no, one of eight senators to vote no. what does it mean? >> i think that senator rubio's vote was short sighted. it's an opportunity to vote for middle class tax cuts. he's going to have a lot of other opportunities. i saw his statement on the spending. this might be one of his biggest opportunities to vote for middle class tax cuts and he blew it. >> paul ryan in voting yes, somewhat surprising, a.b., said, look, i came here to get things done. >> i think it's risky but it's politics in 2016, that's for sure. >> shameless plug? >> my mom's birthday on friday. people wonder where i inherited my argumentative streak. happy birthday, mom. >> i'm going to have to come up with a column on the fiscal cliff in a couple of hours for
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2013 and everyone should read it. >> i want to wish a happy holiday to all the staffers and report who are had to lose their holiday and hope in 2013 there will be a lot less political dysfunction. >> my thank you is to chuck todd for letting me sit in. coming up next, chris jansing and company. i use tide boost to super charge our detergent. boom. clothes look amazing, and daddy's a hero. daddy, can we play ponies? right after we do foldies. tide boost is my tide. what's yours?
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